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More On Voltage Delay in Lithium Thionyl Chloride Batteries

I found the three year old Tadiran batteries (TL-5101/P) that i described in the previous blog post to have too high internal resistance to be suitable for use in Sportident base stations. The datasheet of those batteries also only talk about a discharge current of up to 2 mA and the base stations use more than that for peak current. Therefore I ordered new batteries of another brand, namely SAFT LS14250 CNA. The datasheet of SAFT LS14250 recommends a maximum discharge current of 35 mA and it has near full capacity at 10 mA of current, so this seems like a much better choice for the application.

Naturally, I was curious as to what the voltage delay looked like for LS14250, so I hooked up my battery tester with the same software as before. I ran two tests on the same battery with about 5 minutes of delay in between. The plots below shows the results.

Voltage vs time during 60 s while loading the SAFT LS14250 battery with 5 mA.
Voltage vs time during 60 s while loading the SAFT LS14250 battery with 5 mA.
Voltage vs time during 3 s while loading the SAFT LS14250 battery with 5 mA.
Voltage vs time during 3 s while loading the SAFT LS14250 battery with 5 mA.

In the first run, which takes place presumably at least many days (perhaps months or years) since the battery was last delivering any current), we see the voltage under load starting out at about 2.95 V and it recovers to 3.45 V after about 15 s.

In the second runt, the initial voltage under load is above 3.4 V and it peaks at almost 3.5 V after 1.5 s. It then sags down a bit, but stays about 15 mV above the first trace between 20 and 60 s.

So the voltage delay phenomenon is (as expected) very evident also in this battery model. Also, the SAFT LS14250 seems to be much more suited for the application than the Tadiran TL-5101/P.

Update on 2015-07-11:

I also needed to change batteries on some SI master (BSM7) units and these have AA-size (14500) batteries with higher capacity than the 1/2 AA size 14250 discussed above. I tested a new SAFT 14500 battery (which has  a highest recommended discharge current of 50 mA) twice with the 5 mA one-minute test. The results are shown in the plot below.

Voltage vs time during 60 s while loading the SAFT LS14500 battery with 5 mA.
Voltage vs time during 60 s while loading the SAFT LS14500 battery with 5 mA.

The voltage delay effect is evident also in this test, but strangely enough the curves look qualitatively different compared to the LS14250 curves. In the first run, the voltage dips during the first second before it starts to recover and reaches a peak after about 25 seconds followed by a slow decay. The initial dip is a new feature.

The second test of the same battery, ten minutes later, shows a quick recovery that peaks after three seconds after which the voltage slowly decays. After about 15 seconds, the voltage dips below that of the first run, unlike what happened when testing the LS14250 battery in which case the voltage during the second run stayed above that of the first run for the full minute.

The intricacies of battery behavior are apparently complicated, but tentatively one can conclude that a “voltage delay” effect that takes place for 1-15 seconds when the battery is being loaded after a (long) time of storage is repeatable based on the findings of these few tests.

Voltage Delay in Lithium Thionyl Chloride Batteries

As I described in a previous post, I built a simple Teensy-controlled battery tester for Lithium Thionyl Chloride batteries. I had noticed that unused batteries that had been laying around, seemed to have high internal resistance and according to Wikipedia, this can be due to a passivation layer that forms on the anode and which causes a “voltage delay” when put into service.

I decided to test this using the battery tester. What I did was to modify the program I had written for it so that it loaded the battery with a constant 5 mA current while monitoring how the pole voltage developed over time. I did this three times for one minute with a few minutes of pause in between for the same previously unused battery which has been stored for at least three years. The battery type is a 1/2 AA size Tadiran TL-5101/P.

Below are plots showing the how the pole voltage varied during the tests. The three curves shows the result of the initial test (red), second test ~20 minutes later (blue) and third test ~10 minutes after the second test. The first plot shows 60 seconds while the second plot zooms in on the first 3 seconds.

Voltage vs time during 60 s while loading the battery with 5 mA.
Voltage vs time during 60 s while loading the battery with 5 mA.
Voltage vs time during 3 s while loading the battery with 5 mA.
Voltage vs time during 3 s while loading the battery with 5 mA.

The pole voltage does indeed increase at first (during 3-10 seconds) while the battery is being loaded before it starts drooping. Also, the voltage under load becomes higher the second and third times the battery is tested in this manner.

So a very short and simple test under load might give a too pessimistic view of the state of a lithium thinoyl battery that has been stored for an extended period of time. It might recover and start perform better while it is being loaded. This is somewhat counterintuitive.

The Teensy program I used to for the tester can be found here.

Shonky Product, Konkret MT210 Moisture Meter

Yesterday, I bought a cheap moisture meter (“fuktmätare” in Swedish) called “Konkret MT210” (probably a rebranded name) in a local paint shop to measure the amount of moisture in wood to determine if it was dry enough to be painted.

Konkret MT210 moisture meter
Konkret MT210 moisture meter

I started using it today, but after a few measurements, one of the two sharp pins that is used to probe the wood sunk into the meter and it became essentially useless. Not a good sign of quality.

Before returning the faulty product to the shop, I decided to take it apart (it was kept together by four screws, so disassembly was straightforward) to see if it perhaps would be easy to fix it. The PCB inside it provided a surprise however. It was the most horrifically badly soldered circuit board I have ever seen. I do not even know how the manufacturer is able to produce such bad solder joints on an entire PCB. See below photos.

The innards of the moisture meter.
The innards of the moisture meter. Note how the lower probe has been pushed inwards.
Close-up of badly soldered PCB.
Close-up of badly soldered PCB.
Even closer up of the ugly PCB.
Even closer up of the ugly PCB.

Misaligned components, lots of solder residue, excess solder, many lose solder blobs and even missing copper pads. It is not a pretty sight.

So not only was this product mechanically deficient, the electronics was also built using some entirely inadequate process. I do not recommend anyone to buy this product.